Comments on: Kathy Ireland’s Pro-Life Stand

By: Kelly

Kelly — Fri, 01 May 2009 21:27:44 +0000

Noemi,

I read on your blog that you’re 21 years old…I pray that your education “abroad” would help you understand the dire mistake in thinking that life is disposable, that “a clump of cells” is not a person in the making, and that you would one day fully come to embrace the sanctity of life…it could depend on how people value US…you mentioned there was a “big” difference in a helpless infant in the womb and a helpless adult…well that difference is shrinking if you’ll do a little study on euthansia that is gaining popularity around the world. It’s a slippery slope–don’t ever forget that compromising the truth has no end.

By: Kelly

Kelly — Fri, 01 May 2009 21:22:09 +0000

Noemi,

Well, bad news…very few women EVER know they are pregnant when the baby is still “a clump of cells”, (if aborting at that time would make one feel better–because for the record, that is still a human being formed/killed, not a lifeless “clump”)…

Most women are at least 4-6 weeks at the earliest before they even know they’re pregnant–a time when that clump of cells, apparently so easy to reconcile the destruction of, is now a tiny little, fully-formed baby with hands, feet, brain, heart beat, etc.

And sadly, more often than not, abortions are performed much later, often when the baby may even be able to live outside the womb.

Very bad logic.

By: Noemi

Noemi — Fri, 01 May 2009 20:23:07 +0000

Word Warrior,
Now that is a whole different ball park all together. They are adults and have already participated life and society. A clump of cells is entirely different from a full grown human adult or even an infant fully developed enough to be capable of such things.

By: Ashley S.

Ashley S. — Fri, 01 May 2009 19:11:53 +0000

I enjoyed reading this discussion even though parts of it saddened me, I think some great points have been made – essp. Bethany Hudson! Great questions.

I think to be pro-life is to have the greatest choices available; the choice to abstain, the choice to follow God, and the choice to not stand in the way of any life He wants to bring about through me within the bounds our marriage union.

I hurt for people, because I see how they could believe the lies. There are so many! I have many choices I can legally make by law – but the option to stop someone else’s beating heart? No matter how tiny, I tremble at the thought. I don’t dare make such a choice! What power we hold in our hands and our bodies, what choices we can use for good and evil ….

Just musings from a different ‘Ashley’.

By: Ronda

Ronda — Fri, 01 May 2009 12:36:34 +0000

I just wanted to say thank you to everyone who contributed here for being kind and not ugly. This is a beautiful discussion, without any hurtful words, which is is so unusual when it comes to this subject. Blessings to all of you as you continue to grow in the Lord!

By: Word Warrior

Word Warrior — Fri, 01 May 2009 12:28:52 +0000

Noemi,

You just stepped off ontoa slippery slope, though. Many full-grown adults find themselves in illnessess/injuries that permit them from being able to breathe/eat without outside assistance. What now? Does someone else now decide if their life is “viable” enough to keep from being taken?

By: Noemi

Noemi — Fri, 01 May 2009 09:48:32 +0000

I am not claiming to speak for Ashley, but I will answer this question as someone who is pro choice Why do you believe an embryo is different than a born child?

The difference I believe is their ability to sustain themselves outside the womb. Not necessarily the ability to be able to hunt their own food, etc. But to be developed enough to have the ability to breathe and be fed without the help of the mother’s body.

Now what I am most discourage about is that all of you equal pro-choice with abortion. Pro-choice is not about abortion, it is about the ability to chose for oneself what ever their circumstances and beliefs may be.

By: Bethany Hudson

Bethany Hudson — Thu, 30 Apr 2009 23:43:54 +0000

Ashley, I’m not trying to “go anywhere” with my question. I’m not exactly sure what you mean by that. I meant exactly what I said. I never said that an embryo was like a child because it had DNA–my dog’s fleas have DNA. What I meant was the an embryo is a very YOUNG version of a child, just as a baby is a very young version of an adult, a teenager is a young version of an elderly person. How would you differentiate between the two? How do you define WHEN somone becomes “human”? Because when we’re considering embryos and fetuses, it is simply a matter of “when” they will become babies, not if. A human embryo is not going to become something else. Certainly, an embryo may die and not survive to birth, but similarly, a child may die and not survive to adulthood. No one would deny the personhood of a six year old child who died of a disease or complication. I do not see the difference between this and my child who died at 5.5 weeks gestation, or a child who is aborted. It’s still a child. An embryo isn’t going to become a foot or a hand…or a flea. It isn’t going to become anything “non-human.” It’s going to continue developing as a human. So, how do you differentiate? At what point do YOU think someone becomes human? Is it a hearbeat? Is it the ability to care for oneself? Is it the power of speech or free thought? How do you decide who is human and who is not?

~Bethany

By: Misty Smith

Misty Smith — Thu, 30 Apr 2009 23:38:36 +0000

Sperm, egg, embryo, fetus, infant…

“Thine eyes did see mine unformed substance; And in thy book they were all written, [Even] the days that were ordained [for me], When as yet there was none of them.” Ps. 139:16 ASV

Let us start where life REALLY begins:
“ORDAINED”, book-bound CONCEPT, egg, sperm, embryo, fetus, infant…

By: Kim M.

Kim M. — Thu, 30 Apr 2009 22:34:37 +0000

I don’t understand how anyone can say they are different…especially since there have been those that survived abortions and live to tell about it.