Socialized Health Care: NOT the Answer (And Why Didn’t We Elect Ron Paul for President?)
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June 24, 2009 7:57 pm
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Minimum estimated cost – $800 billion. On top of the billions spent on “stimulus” and “bailouts.”
“(And Why Didn’t We Elect Ron Paul for President?)”
I thought it was because most conservatives were off put by Ron Paul because of his stance on the Iraq war.(And his thoughts on the military in general)
I think it all depends on your life experiences too.
I once worked with a woman whose 2-year old son had a heart transplant. The cost? One million dollars and counting. Her husband was a cook and she was a waitress. They had to accept Medicaid.
Her family’s opinion on socialized medicine would be different than someone who had never dealt with anything like that.
Ashley,
But Pau’s point is that medical care is WAY too high…if we would focus on that problem, the need for socialized care would not exist.
We couldn’t elect Ron Paul because a lot of Christians decided that being a Christian meant being a Republican at all costs. They said that Ron Paul “didn’t have a chance of winning” so they didn’t even try. If every professing Christian had voted for Ron Paul or even Chuck Baldwin, they could have won.
I grew in a country with socialized health care, and in the lady’s example above of the two year old with the heart transplant…it would have been worse…he would have been put on a five year waiting list and probably died. I’d rather try to come up with the money, myself.
Just ask your missionary friends what socialized healthcare does.
Also.. We have doctors in our family that talk about what their Canadian co-workers say. What Ron Paul said is true.
Ashley,
I think you are correct about conservative being put off by Ron Paul’s stance on the Iraq war.
I also wonder if Medicaid is socialized medicine or just government subsidized health care. Is there a difference or is it just degrees? I haven’t really researched it enough to form a solid opinion. I do know people from countries with socialized medicine come here for healthcare because even if they can pay, there are not enough doctors and resources.
Anyone remember this story? It’s one of MANY! Only we don’t hear about the others because US media almost completely ignores international stories.
“A Canadian woman has given birth to extremely rare identical quadruplets.
The four girls were born at a US hospital because there was no space available at Canadian neonatal intensive care units.”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6951330.stm
Ashley, you bring up an interesting idea, that of money and medicine. I’m so sorry about your coworker’s plight. I can’t imagine being in such a greivous dilema. But you’re appealing to emotion, not morality: “Her family’s opinion on socialized medicine would be different than someone who had never dealt with anything like that.” Well, o.k., I’ll grant you that. That dosen’t change the fact that people are being coerced by the government to pay for programs with or without their consent.
Re: Medicine and money –
Why is it that some things are so expensive, and why is that o.k.? (I’m not going to rehash anything C. R. Paul said)
First, our medicine is highly technological. Technology is expensive, esp when new (ish).
“What made these performance gains and price reductions possible? People with lots of money purchased the first high-priced machines. They had the financial ability to lay out “excess” capital for what most people would consider luxury items.
The research and development costs of any new technology are enormous. That’s why the initial entry of new products into the market is expensive. But over time, when costs are recouped and production increases, costs and prices fall…The spending by rich people fuels the market for future goods at lower prices which benefits everybody.”
- Gary DeMar, speaking on technology and “Why We Need Rich People” here:
http://www.americanvision.org/article/why-we-need-rich-people/
Writer Dr. Gary North also watched his son die, by inches. Course he didn’t know Caleb was dieing. His problem wasn’t lack of money, like your(Ashley’s) co-worker, but of lack of technology – to even diagnose the condition.
And yet he writes:
“If anyone ever asks you “What’s so good about capitalism,” tell him this: Capitalism has made it possible for most of our children to survive the killer diseases and accidents that two centuries ago killed 30% or more of all children before they reached adulthood.”
(excerpted from his obit for his son, Caleb, here: http://www.garynorth.com/public/1967.cfm
Re: single-payer health care (i.e. gov’t run and paid)
I mentioned Canada’s problem (insufficiant accessablility), here’s Britain dealt with –
“750,000 are on waiting lists for hospital admission; 40% of cancer patients are never able to see an oncologist; there is explicit rationing for services such as kidney dialysis, open heart surgery and care for the terminally ill. Further, minimum waiting times have been instituted to reduce costs.” As in, 122 day minimum if the hospital dosen’t want to lose funding.
http://healthcare-economist.com/2008/04/23/health-care-around-the-world-great-britain/
– Gosh, I hope you don’t break a leg. Or get cancer. But if it’s cancer, they’ll deal with you. Oh, they’ll deal with you.
(from same article)
” Because of rationing, care might not be as easy to get as advertised. Terminally ill patients may be denied treatment.”
- Well, you know, you’re gonna die anyway. Why prolong the inevetable? Who needs mercy or hope? You cost too much.
But hey, 100% of them are insured. That’s helpful. If you could see a doctor.
Lori…well-said. Seems so obvious, doesn’t it? But as long as someone is saying, “here, let me pay for that”…we don’t even bother to *think* about the outcome….our insurance is being paid for, not necessarily our actual health care.
Listen up, Americans! Don’t let it happen in your country! The news about our socialized medical establishment never changes – hospitals too far in debt to keep services or proper staffing available.
Make it a business between doctors and patients – the cost and services will be much more competitive and much more attentive to the patient!
(BTW – I not just a Canadian, I’m Canadian nurse)
Kelly (Word Warrior), I wonder why you had to take the video down? The people who put it up on YouTube said anyone is free to use it.