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		<title>By: Rachel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rachel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 12:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m glad that christians such as yourself (Kelly) are beginning to emphasise the importance of family. I wish more christians over here in the U.K. would begin to do the same. Of course, it doesn&#039;t have to be a case of either the church or the family. However, having grown up in a church which emphasised the church over the family, I can see the huge dangers of neglecting family.

I am the youngest of five and growing up we attended a church which had and still has, a very strong children&#039;s outreach work. It has certainly been blessed by the Lord, with many children from broken homes being saved. 

Problem was, as a child, I hardly ever saw my father, who is an elder at the church. His weekly evening schedule, after a long day at work was:

Monday - youth group
Tuesday - bible study at church
Wednesday - youth group
Thursday - preparation for sunday sermon
Friday - prayer meeting
Saturday - normally my poor Dad had a migraine, if not he would be doing door-to-door evangelism, very rarely we would be able to have a family day together
Sunday - church in the morning, rush home for lunch, out to take afternoon evangelistic childrens meetings, rush home for tea, out in the evening until 9pm for church and fellowship.

So, as you can see from that schedule, bearing in mind he got in from work at 6pm and was normally out the door to church at 7pm, we *never* saw Dad!

I&#039;m 23 now, and married. It&#039;s only been in the past couple of years that I&#039;ve actually got to know my own father. I remember at University, he came to pick me up at the end of term, alone, without Mum. I was so nervous - what would we talk about? Would it be awkward? It was! Poor Dad has tried his best - I would never say he was a bad father, but my older siblings, who only spent part of their childhood at this church, have a much closer relationship with Dad than me. It makes me so sad.

The church has been challenged about this, and clearly think that the mother should be solely responsible for the children, and should not complain if her husband has to spend most of his time ministering in the church. I&#039;ve heard many comments from ladies who feel that they were effectively single parents because of all the time their husbands had to spend at church. This can&#039;t be right!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad that christians such as yourself (Kelly) are beginning to emphasise the importance of family. I wish more christians over here in the U.K. would begin to do the same. Of course, it doesn&#8217;t have to be a case of either the church or the family. However, having grown up in a church which emphasised the church over the family, I can see the huge dangers of neglecting family.</p>
<p>I am the youngest of five and growing up we attended a church which had and still has, a very strong children&#8217;s outreach work. It has certainly been blessed by the Lord, with many children from broken homes being saved. </p>
<p>Problem was, as a child, I hardly ever saw my father, who is an elder at the church. His weekly evening schedule, after a long day at work was:</p>
<p>Monday &#8211; youth group<br />
Tuesday &#8211; bible study at church<br />
Wednesday &#8211; youth group<br />
Thursday &#8211; preparation for sunday sermon<br />
Friday &#8211; prayer meeting<br />
Saturday &#8211; normally my poor Dad had a migraine, if not he would be doing door-to-door evangelism, very rarely we would be able to have a family day together<br />
Sunday &#8211; church in the morning, rush home for lunch, out to take afternoon evangelistic childrens meetings, rush home for tea, out in the evening until 9pm for church and fellowship.</p>
<p>So, as you can see from that schedule, bearing in mind he got in from work at 6pm and was normally out the door to church at 7pm, we *never* saw Dad!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m 23 now, and married. It&#8217;s only been in the past couple of years that I&#8217;ve actually got to know my own father. I remember at University, he came to pick me up at the end of term, alone, without Mum. I was so nervous &#8211; what would we talk about? Would it be awkward? It was! Poor Dad has tried his best &#8211; I would never say he was a bad father, but my older siblings, who only spent part of their childhood at this church, have a much closer relationship with Dad than me. It makes me so sad.</p>
<p>The church has been challenged about this, and clearly think that the mother should be solely responsible for the children, and should not complain if her husband has to spend most of his time ministering in the church. I&#8217;ve heard many comments from ladies who feel that they were effectively single parents because of all the time their husbands had to spend at church. This can&#8217;t be right!</p>
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		<title>By: Word Warrior</title>
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		<dc:creator>Word Warrior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 11:32:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brandi,

Those statements are so hard to hear, especially when we tasted the joy and wonders of motherhood.  AND it&#039;s hard to know what to say in the small window of time you have with a person like that.  I always just silently pray that the Lord would bring me the right words...the words that would continue to resonate in their hearts and cause them to be more tender toward their children.

Or at least try to express the love and joy I feel as a mother...perhaps she has never seen that.  Anyway, it was good that you had the brief time to plants seeds!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brandi,</p>
<p>Those statements are so hard to hear, especially when we tasted the joy and wonders of motherhood.  AND it&#8217;s hard to know what to say in the small window of time you have with a person like that.  I always just silently pray that the Lord would bring me the right words&#8230;the words that would continue to resonate in their hearts and cause them to be more tender toward their children.</p>
<p>Or at least try to express the love and joy I feel as a mother&#8230;perhaps she has never seen that.  Anyway, it was good that you had the brief time to plants seeds!</p>
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		<title>By: Brandi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brandi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 03:25:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My comment is a little off point in regards to this post, but connected in mother/child relationship.  This past week I connected with a girlfriend I hadn&#039;t seen since highschool.  She and I met for lunch.  At the table next to us was a young woman having lunch alone.  She engaged me in conversation for several minutes thinking she knew me from somewhere.  She persisted in asking me questions, so my friend invited her to join us.  She happily accepted and moved to our table.  She was a very lovely young woman, very dressed up, with Blackberry constantly in hand.  The catching up I had hoped to do with my friend would have to wait.  We engaged in very light conversation about crafting, housework, and our children.  I found it very difficult keeping the conversation going with the young woman.  In the thirty minute lunch impromptu meeting,  she proceded to tell us she could never be a stay at home mom.  Her words &quot;I could never do that, for my own sanity, I could never do that.&quot;  She also told us her three year old has been in a daycare since she was three weeks old, and her little girl is not allowed to color at home for fear she might mess up the house.  I was a little stunned at some points by her confessions.  There were ackward glances and silences between my friend and myself.  We didn&#039;t know how to respond,  I broke the tension by telling the story of my own 3yo&#039;s art work in red sharpie on my bedroom wall (It&#039;s been there six months now).

I am troubled for this young mother and her little girl.  We exchanged information and politely said our goodbyes.  My friend and I went on with our afternoon of cosignment shopping. I did enjoy my &quot;girltime&quot; (first time in a few years) it was nice to come through the door to my babies yelling &quot;mommy&#039;s home&quot;.  I loved that!! I wonder if that young mother can appreciate hearing those words every afternoon or is it burdensome to her.
  I would have posted this comment on my own blog but encase she looks me up there, I didn&#039;t want to hurt any feelings.  I&#039;m just curious how others would have responded to another mom making these kind of statements regarding lack of appreciation for motherhood.
  Sorry Kelly for bring this long comment on your blog.  I just appreciate all the good encouragement that you and the ladies here have to offer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My comment is a little off point in regards to this post, but connected in mother/child relationship.  This past week I connected with a girlfriend I hadn&#8217;t seen since highschool.  She and I met for lunch.  At the table next to us was a young woman having lunch alone.  She engaged me in conversation for several minutes thinking she knew me from somewhere.  She persisted in asking me questions, so my friend invited her to join us.  She happily accepted and moved to our table.  She was a very lovely young woman, very dressed up, with Blackberry constantly in hand.  The catching up I had hoped to do with my friend would have to wait.  We engaged in very light conversation about crafting, housework, and our children.  I found it very difficult keeping the conversation going with the young woman.  In the thirty minute lunch impromptu meeting,  she proceded to tell us she could never be a stay at home mom.  Her words &#8220;I could never do that, for my own sanity, I could never do that.&#8221;  She also told us her three year old has been in a daycare since she was three weeks old, and her little girl is not allowed to color at home for fear she might mess up the house.  I was a little stunned at some points by her confessions.  There were ackward glances and silences between my friend and myself.  We didn&#8217;t know how to respond,  I broke the tension by telling the story of my own 3yo&#8217;s art work in red sharpie on my bedroom wall (It&#8217;s been there six months now).</p>
<p>I am troubled for this young mother and her little girl.  We exchanged information and politely said our goodbyes.  My friend and I went on with our afternoon of cosignment shopping. I did enjoy my &#8220;girltime&#8221; (first time in a few years) it was nice to come through the door to my babies yelling &#8220;mommy&#8217;s home&#8221;.  I loved that!! I wonder if that young mother can appreciate hearing those words every afternoon or is it burdensome to her.<br />
  I would have posted this comment on my own blog but encase she looks me up there, I didn&#8217;t want to hurt any feelings.  I&#8217;m just curious how others would have responded to another mom making these kind of statements regarding lack of appreciation for motherhood.<br />
  Sorry Kelly for bring this long comment on your blog.  I just appreciate all the good encouragement that you and the ladies here have to offer.</p>
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		<title>By: elizabeth</title>
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		<dc:creator>elizabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 23:19:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kelly,
I agree 100% with your reply about the &quot;me time,&quot; but I just had to LOL because dh and I will tend to the kids while the other gets a break ( a nap, run errands, catch up on a project).  If you have a spouse who is in the home with you -not travelling, working 2 jobs, or deployed- you should feel like you can say, &quot;honey could you please keep an eye on the kids for me for a half hour?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kelly,<br />
I agree 100% with your reply about the &#8220;me time,&#8221; but I just had to LOL because dh and I will tend to the kids while the other gets a break ( a nap, run errands, catch up on a project).  If you have a spouse who is in the home with you -not travelling, working 2 jobs, or deployed- you should feel like you can say, &#8220;honey could you please keep an eye on the kids for me for a half hour?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa M.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 21:14:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it any wonder that when a mother or father  has the attitude of &quot;getting the children out of my  hair&quot; for their own time that as our children become teens they want their own time, too?  I think it&#039;s just the beginning of passing down a self-centered perspective.  Having time alone is fine as long as our motives are in order.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it any wonder that when a mother or father  has the attitude of &#8220;getting the children out of my  hair&#8221; for their own time that as our children become teens they want their own time, too?  I think it&#8217;s just the beginning of passing down a self-centered perspective.  Having time alone is fine as long as our motives are in order.</p>
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		<title>By: Word Warrior</title>
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		<dc:creator>Word Warrior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 12:57:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a summary thought about the &quot;mommy time&quot;...I agree here that it&#039;s certainly OK to &quot;get refreshed&quot; from time to time; every now and then my husband will send me shopping by myself for that purpose.  Or during pregnancy, etc., we&#039;ve had older girls come in and help out.  I think that&#039;s perfectly wonderful, and should even be something we help each other with more as families (mothers, grandmothers, etc.)  I think years ago maybe there was more community and support in that regard.

What I don&#039;t like about Dobson&#039;s advice is a sense of &quot;entitlement&quot; and the &quot;30 minutes EVERY day&quot; as if without it mothers will collapse.

Typically speaking, when mother is healthy, at home, embracing her job, it&#039;s like any other job--it&#039;s challenging at times, but not overwhelming, especially if the children are being trained to obey and respect the rules of the home.  And I agree with what others have said about the moments in the day that present themselves for a &quot;breather&quot;...early in the morning, during naps (we nap religiously), etc.

So, just to say I don&#039;t think it&#039;s a blanket statement either way...this is our blessed job, and we should take advantage of God-given rest, but not come to expect it as an entitlement &quot;away&quot; from our children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a summary thought about the &#8220;mommy time&#8221;&#8230;I agree here that it&#8217;s certainly OK to &#8220;get refreshed&#8221; from time to time; every now and then my husband will send me shopping by myself for that purpose.  Or during pregnancy, etc., we&#8217;ve had older girls come in and help out.  I think that&#8217;s perfectly wonderful, and should even be something we help each other with more as families (mothers, grandmothers, etc.)  I think years ago maybe there was more community and support in that regard.</p>
<p>What I don&#8217;t like about Dobson&#8217;s advice is a sense of &#8220;entitlement&#8221; and the &#8220;30 minutes EVERY day&#8221; as if without it mothers will collapse.</p>
<p>Typically speaking, when mother is healthy, at home, embracing her job, it&#8217;s like any other job&#8211;it&#8217;s challenging at times, but not overwhelming, especially if the children are being trained to obey and respect the rules of the home.  And I agree with what others have said about the moments in the day that present themselves for a &#8220;breather&#8221;&#8230;early in the morning, during naps (we nap religiously), etc.</p>
<p>So, just to say I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s a blanket statement either way&#8230;this is our blessed job, and we should take advantage of God-given rest, but not come to expect it as an entitlement &#8220;away&#8221; from our children.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim from Canada</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kim from Canada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 12:23:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jill F

I agree!  As members of a local church, we need to be ACTIVE members...shaping the church as family integrated.  Our little church has some age-specific events, such as youth night, but there is no reason parents should avoid participating in these events, too.  

Build the family, build the church!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jill F</p>
<p>I agree!  As members of a local church, we need to be ACTIVE members&#8230;shaping the church as family integrated.  Our little church has some age-specific events, such as youth night, but there is no reason parents should avoid participating in these events, too.  </p>
<p>Build the family, build the church!</p>
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		<title>By: madge</title>
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		<dc:creator>madge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 11:53:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our first baby was very high need--when he was in a grown spurt he would sleep less than nine hours a day total.  I didn&#039;t get help--thought it was all my &quot;job&quot; to tend to his every need.  I did hav my mother to help out so I could get a shower, unlike so many my husband is really good with babies. In retrospect, a mother&#039;s helper a couple of afternoons a week--just to recharge the batteries, so to speak--would have made me a much better mother.  

Stuff like that is so subjective, and so ultimately inessential to the Christian walk.  It infuriated me that mothers beat each other up over such silliness.  

I&#039;ve never been a huge fan of Dobson--he&#039;s always struck me as Dr Phil with a Christian veneer--but if an individual mom needs or wants a few afternoons a week to read a book or exercise or whatever, can afford help with housecleaning or really any other sort of help to make her family&#039;s life go smoother (even if it means she works a few hours a week)--that is nothing for me or anyone else to judge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our first baby was very high need&#8211;when he was in a grown spurt he would sleep less than nine hours a day total.  I didn&#8217;t get help&#8211;thought it was all my &#8220;job&#8221; to tend to his every need.  I did hav my mother to help out so I could get a shower, unlike so many my husband is really good with babies. In retrospect, a mother&#8217;s helper a couple of afternoons a week&#8211;just to recharge the batteries, so to speak&#8211;would have made me a much better mother.  </p>
<p>Stuff like that is so subjective, and so ultimately inessential to the Christian walk.  It infuriated me that mothers beat each other up over such silliness.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never been a huge fan of Dobson&#8211;he&#8217;s always struck me as Dr Phil with a Christian veneer&#8211;but if an individual mom needs or wants a few afternoons a week to read a book or exercise or whatever, can afford help with housecleaning or really any other sort of help to make her family&#8217;s life go smoother (even if it means she works a few hours a week)&#8211;that is nothing for me or anyone else to judge.</p>
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		<title>By: Diane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 09:43:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, also...I&#039;d love to hear what he had to say about toddlers and church.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, also&#8230;I&#8217;d love to hear what he had to say about toddlers and church.</p>
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		<title>By: Diane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 09:42:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was discussing this with my mom this evening, and she agreed with the point made that, many larger families (where it seems the most that a mom might need a break) have older children in the family who can help out with the younger children. This helps the mom get some to tend to herself or things she needs to do, while still keeping it family that is there to tend to the younger children needing taking care of. 
Just thought I&#039;d add another thought of mine. I&#039;ve enjoyed the conversation greatly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was discussing this with my mom this evening, and she agreed with the point made that, many larger families (where it seems the most that a mom might need a break) have older children in the family who can help out with the younger children. This helps the mom get some to tend to herself or things she needs to do, while still keeping it family that is there to tend to the younger children needing taking care of.<br />
Just thought I&#8217;d add another thought of mine. I&#8217;ve enjoyed the conversation greatly.</p>
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