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		<title>By: Mary at Civilla's Cyber Cafe</title>
		<link>http://www.generationcedar.com/main/2009/09/christians.html/comment-page-1#comment-15288</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary at Civilla's Cyber Cafe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 22:17:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha,ha!  I didn&#039;t mean it to sound that way, that&#039;s funny.  No, I meant that about the major decisions we made, we wouldn&#039;t change anything.  No, we&#039;ve tweaked many mistakes along the way and will continue to do so.  Thanks for catching me in that blunder, Leslie!  LOL (I really am!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha,ha!  I didn&#8217;t mean it to sound that way, that&#8217;s funny.  No, I meant that about the major decisions we made, we wouldn&#8217;t change anything.  No, we&#8217;ve tweaked many mistakes along the way and will continue to do so.  Thanks for catching me in that blunder, Leslie!  LOL (I really am!)</p>
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		<title>By: Leslie Viles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leslie Viles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 21:22:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mary,

WOW!  I don&#039;t know if I have ever, in my life, heard ANYONE say they haven&#039;t made ANY mistakes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary,</p>
<p>WOW!  I don&#8217;t know if I have ever, in my life, heard ANYONE say they haven&#8217;t made ANY mistakes.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary at Civilla's Cyber Cafe</title>
		<link>http://www.generationcedar.com/main/2009/09/christians.html/comment-page-1#comment-15286</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary at Civilla's Cyber Cafe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 19:57:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know I didn&#039;t make any mistakes.  I would make the same choices if I had my life to live over concerning marriage, family and children.  I&#039;m finally at peace about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know I didn&#8217;t make any mistakes.  I would make the same choices if I had my life to live over concerning marriage, family and children.  I&#8217;m finally at peace about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Word Warrior</title>
		<link>http://www.generationcedar.com/main/2009/09/christians.html/comment-page-1#comment-15285</link>
		<dc:creator>Word Warrior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 18:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charity,

LOL!  C&#039;mon, sister!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charity,</p>
<p>LOL!  C&#8217;mon, sister!</p>
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		<title>By: Charity</title>
		<link>http://www.generationcedar.com/main/2009/09/christians.html/comment-page-1#comment-15283</link>
		<dc:creator>Charity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 16:34:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know there was much um...shall we say, &quot;upset&quot; over this post, but I want to say again how much I appreciated it. 

Leslie-the last paragraph of your comment is exactly what I was trying to say when I commented...you just did a better job :)

Kelly-may God bless you...for standing firm on your beliefs and encouraging other women. Maybe at times you may feel that you don&#039;t make a difference or reach anyone...I&#039;m here to tell you that you&#039;ve been a HUGE encouragement to this young, stay-at-home-homeschooling-want-as-many-little-blessings-as-HE-gives-wife-and-mommy. Thank you! May God richly bless you and yours!  Oh, and by the way...would you mind if we packed up and moved next door to ya&#039;ll? It&#039;d be so nice to actually be around a like-minded family. We wouldn&#039;t make much noise, I promise :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know there was much um&#8230;shall we say, &#8220;upset&#8221; over this post, but I want to say again how much I appreciated it. </p>
<p>Leslie-the last paragraph of your comment is exactly what I was trying to say when I commented&#8230;you just did a better job <img src='http://www.generationcedar.com/main/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Kelly-may God bless you&#8230;for standing firm on your beliefs and encouraging other women. Maybe at times you may feel that you don&#8217;t make a difference or reach anyone&#8230;I&#8217;m here to tell you that you&#8217;ve been a HUGE encouragement to this young, stay-at-home-homeschooling-want-as-many-little-blessings-as-HE-gives-wife-and-mommy. Thank you! May God richly bless you and yours!  Oh, and by the way&#8230;would you mind if we packed up and moved next door to ya&#8217;ll? It&#8217;d be so nice to actually be around a like-minded family. We wouldn&#8217;t make much noise, I promise <img src='http://www.generationcedar.com/main/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Leslie Viles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leslie Viles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 16:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave Ramsey also speaks from personal experience and the mistakes he made.  Why is it so different when we do the same in regards to marriage and family?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave Ramsey also speaks from personal experience and the mistakes he made.  Why is it so different when we do the same in regards to marriage and family?</p>
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		<title>By: Word Warrior</title>
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		<dc:creator>Word Warrior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 14:19:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leslis,

VERY well stated, thank you.  I think I became exhausted with this thread and walked away ;-)

I thought of an analogy in my sleep (as usual) to help explain why we don&#039;t lean too hard on the idea that &quot;there is no formula&quot;...

People like to say that because the Bible doesn&#039;t speak directly about education it&#039;s open to whatever choice we make.  I&#039;ve maintained the Bible speaks *inn principle* about it, and gives us direction.  

The area of money seems a lot the same.  The Bible doesn&#039;t say &quot;don&#039;t buy things you don&#039;t have the money for&quot;, i.e. credit purchases, but we take the principles from Scripture and know that credit cards can cause financial distress in a hurry.

And just like public school, for example, not everyone who uses a credit card to buy a plasma tv will experience difficulty; but more will than not, and it&#039;s playing with fire.  AND, not everyone who has a &quot;debt-free&quot; approach will escape financial trouble to some degree, but many more will than not.

Am I making sense?  Another thing about that is, we don&#039;t attack Dave Ramsey for pointing out the foolishness of making poor economic choices--he does it to HELP people, just as that is my desire, and many others who talk about this subject.

Enough rambling...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leslis,</p>
<p>VERY well stated, thank you.  I think I became exhausted with this thread and walked away <img src='http://www.generationcedar.com/main/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I thought of an analogy in my sleep (as usual) to help explain why we don&#8217;t lean too hard on the idea that &#8220;there is no formula&#8221;&#8230;</p>
<p>People like to say that because the Bible doesn&#8217;t speak directly about education it&#8217;s open to whatever choice we make.  I&#8217;ve maintained the Bible speaks *inn principle* about it, and gives us direction.  </p>
<p>The area of money seems a lot the same.  The Bible doesn&#8217;t say &#8220;don&#8217;t buy things you don&#8217;t have the money for&#8221;, i.e. credit purchases, but we take the principles from Scripture and know that credit cards can cause financial distress in a hurry.</p>
<p>And just like public school, for example, not everyone who uses a credit card to buy a plasma tv will experience difficulty; but more will than not, and it&#8217;s playing with fire.  AND, not everyone who has a &#8220;debt-free&#8221; approach will escape financial trouble to some degree, but many more will than not.</p>
<p>Am I making sense?  Another thing about that is, we don&#8217;t attack Dave Ramsey for pointing out the foolishness of making poor economic choices&#8211;he does it to HELP people, just as that is my desire, and many others who talk about this subject.</p>
<p>Enough rambling&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Leslie Viles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leslie Viles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 04:56:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know this is a late post, but we have been on a camping trip for a few days.  I read some of the comments, but not all.  

Someone commented &quot;As women, we rely on methods. The cake didn’t rise, so I must have done something wrong — let’s see what it was: I didn’t put in the baking powder, or I opened the oven door as the cake was starting to rise, or I didn’t beat the batter enough, whatever. I’ll work out the glitch, and then my cake will turn out fine.&quot;   This is true, but if you know that you didn&#039;t follow the recipe and DECIDED to skip the baking powder, you wouldn&#039;t be surprised if the cake didn&#039;t rise.  Same with kids.  God gave us instructions and when we don&#039;t follow them we need to be ready to accept responsibility and repent.  (this includes me, as I currently send my 6 year old off to a presbyterian school and I know I we are pushing our God ordained responsibility off on someone else.)

&quot;I can have a Christ-centered philosophy of education, but not a Bible-based education. Only our Bible classes can be that.&quot;  I REALLY disagree with this comment.  I might have agreed with it until I started homeschooling my 16 year old (then 10).  Once I taught a Christian curriculum, one with God at the center of EVERY subject, I knew I could never go back. It&#039;s like a piece of the puzzle was missing and I didn&#039;t even realize it.  What cemented it for me was realizing, as I taught, that some of what I learned in school was a deliberate misrepresentation of some historical events, in order to diminish the impact that Christian men had on this country and also to elevate certain theories in science.  

To WW:  I imagine you must get frustrated sometimes.  I just want you to know that I wish I had a Titus 2 woman in my life when I was a new mother and working outside my home and even later when I was sending that child off to a secular school.  All the Godly women in my church (and they did love the Lord) were misguided and had a secular/feminist view.  As a result, I got very worldly advice from them.  I wish I had someone like you to honestly share your mistakes and convictions and the scripture that you based it on so that maybe I might have made different choices based on different information.  

Also, I want to add that basing our decisions on how we &quot;feel&quot; God wants us to behave is not biblical.  The bible says &quot;The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure.       Who can understand it?&quot; Jeremiah 17:9.  

Lastly,
Like Kelly, I also went to secular school, my friends were my &quot;life&quot; and as a result I made some very bad choices.  I was really cute (now 20 years and 3 babies later and I&#039;m not nearly as cute) and enjoyed attention that I got from that.  The 2 things we were praised for in my family were being intelligent and being good looking.  So I was smart, and pretty....and promiscuous. I think someone commented on the socioeconomic status of the teens that were falling away.  Well, you can&#039;t come from a &quot;better family&quot; in Alabama than I did. (my family is extremely political and the emphasis was ALWAYS on how things &quot;looked&quot;) But avoiding pregnancy and VD is not the standard we should be setting for our children. Even respecting themselves.  They need to respect GOD!  And just having our children get &quot;saved&quot; shouldn&#039;t be the only goal.  the only worthwhile goal is raising children that are WARRIORS for CHRIST.  all the other stuff, is just stuff.

BUT none of this matters. Outcomes DON&#039;T matter.  What matters is obedience to God&#039;s word and I think it is very clear on how we should raise our children and carting them off everyday for someone else to teach is in direct opposition to that.  

Leslie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know this is a late post, but we have been on a camping trip for a few days.  I read some of the comments, but not all.  </p>
<p>Someone commented &#8220;As women, we rely on methods. The cake didn’t rise, so I must have done something wrong — let’s see what it was: I didn’t put in the baking powder, or I opened the oven door as the cake was starting to rise, or I didn’t beat the batter enough, whatever. I’ll work out the glitch, and then my cake will turn out fine.&#8221;   This is true, but if you know that you didn&#8217;t follow the recipe and DECIDED to skip the baking powder, you wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if the cake didn&#8217;t rise.  Same with kids.  God gave us instructions and when we don&#8217;t follow them we need to be ready to accept responsibility and repent.  (this includes me, as I currently send my 6 year old off to a presbyterian school and I know I we are pushing our God ordained responsibility off on someone else.)</p>
<p>&#8220;I can have a Christ-centered philosophy of education, but not a Bible-based education. Only our Bible classes can be that.&#8221;  I REALLY disagree with this comment.  I might have agreed with it until I started homeschooling my 16 year old (then 10).  Once I taught a Christian curriculum, one with God at the center of EVERY subject, I knew I could never go back. It&#8217;s like a piece of the puzzle was missing and I didn&#8217;t even realize it.  What cemented it for me was realizing, as I taught, that some of what I learned in school was a deliberate misrepresentation of some historical events, in order to diminish the impact that Christian men had on this country and also to elevate certain theories in science.  </p>
<p>To WW:  I imagine you must get frustrated sometimes.  I just want you to know that I wish I had a Titus 2 woman in my life when I was a new mother and working outside my home and even later when I was sending that child off to a secular school.  All the Godly women in my church (and they did love the Lord) were misguided and had a secular/feminist view.  As a result, I got very worldly advice from them.  I wish I had someone like you to honestly share your mistakes and convictions and the scripture that you based it on so that maybe I might have made different choices based on different information.  </p>
<p>Also, I want to add that basing our decisions on how we &#8220;feel&#8221; God wants us to behave is not biblical.  The bible says &#8220;The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure.       Who can understand it?&#8221; Jeremiah 17:9.  </p>
<p>Lastly,<br />
Like Kelly, I also went to secular school, my friends were my &#8220;life&#8221; and as a result I made some very bad choices.  I was really cute (now 20 years and 3 babies later and I&#8217;m not nearly as cute) and enjoyed attention that I got from that.  The 2 things we were praised for in my family were being intelligent and being good looking.  So I was smart, and pretty&#8230;.and promiscuous. I think someone commented on the socioeconomic status of the teens that were falling away.  Well, you can&#8217;t come from a &#8220;better family&#8221; in Alabama than I did. (my family is extremely political and the emphasis was ALWAYS on how things &#8220;looked&#8221;) But avoiding pregnancy and VD is not the standard we should be setting for our children. Even respecting themselves.  They need to respect GOD!  And just having our children get &#8220;saved&#8221; shouldn&#8217;t be the only goal.  the only worthwhile goal is raising children that are WARRIORS for CHRIST.  all the other stuff, is just stuff.</p>
<p>BUT none of this matters. Outcomes DON&#8217;T matter.  What matters is obedience to God&#8217;s word and I think it is very clear on how we should raise our children and carting them off everyday for someone else to teach is in direct opposition to that.  </p>
<p>Leslie</p>
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		<title>By: Mary at Civilla's Cyber Cafe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary at Civilla's Cyber Cafe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 20:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know the comments are closed on this now, but I wanted to say that like other parents, when we felt there was a problem, we prayed for direction and &quot;tweaked&quot; things as we went along!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know the comments are closed on this now, but I wanted to say that like other parents, when we felt there was a problem, we prayed for direction and &#8220;tweaked&#8221; things as we went along!</p>
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		<title>By: Mary at Civilla's Cyber Cafe</title>
		<link>http://www.generationcedar.com/main/2009/09/christians.html/comment-page-1#comment-15249</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary at Civilla's Cyber Cafe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 20:22:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, I should have put my entire name which includes the name of my blog, like I normally do.  Oops.  I&#039;m still technologically challenged and don&#039;t remember these things.</description>
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