Comments on: Modesty: We’ve Come a Long Way, Baby!

By: Jerlene Thomann

Jerlene Thomann — Fri, 07 Oct 2011 23:25:05 +0000

my mum wanted to know something about this, ill point them to your page, thanks

By: SavebyGrace

SavebyGrace — Tue, 13 Apr 2010 23:44:56 +0000

1 Peter 5:8
Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

Let a little bit of sin into your life and like as not before long your life is devoured by your adversary. Sin is sin, God hates it and HE is very clear about what He considers to be sin – if you care to read it, meditate upon it and let Him rule your life.

By: Jennifer

Jennifer — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 20:50:23 +0000

I’m sorry you’re so afraid of porn (not that I blame you) that you don’t believe in nude art, MO. Your emotional scar tissue must be hardened indeed to equate all uncovered bodies with porn, which I find disgusting, or to accuse all those who appreciate nude art of being people with blindness; beware that the pain from your own old wounds doesn’t cloud your discernment of others. Believe me, I’ve read on this subject and, as I’ve said, when I shared my knowledge I was attacked to the core of my femaleness. I know of stupid TV shows which teach lies and foolishness, though I rarely equate such hypocrisy with that of people who secretly push prostitution or filth almost as bad. I know the ugliness of the corrupt heart, as well as the beauty of those who appreciate the human body, sex, and who know the difference. Be well

By: MO

MO — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 20:55:08 +0000

History and Hollywood have proven that all sexual overload progresses into further deviation from what God created as very good. Sex/sexuality is like a drug that has it’s place and use, but as all drugs when not used according to it’s design it becomes something it was never intended for. So when women stop being interesting because they don’t excite men due to overload, men start to look elsewhere for their fulfillment. It is a sick and sad fact where the little things lead.
Be very afraid of what you don’t know about the other males. The statistics of pastors/ministers that consume porn are horrific, it affects much more than most are aware. Please educate yourselves and read the studies, and books on the topics instead of just offering your opinions. And you will see what I previously wrote doesn’t really sound that bad in comparison. (Why do you think we have 100,000 sex slaves in the city of Orlando,FL for example – these are not prostitutes, many under age).
Christians shun playboy as they should. Men have their physical porn, but women have their emotional porn. An even more insidious and secret addiction. All the soap operas, novels, the drama, affairs, scandals – it’s the same. Most women are OK with people having sex on screen or insinuating it as long as they’re covered, and that is the pinnacle of the hypocrisy. Women keep watching sex and the city, desperate housewives, and whatever else comes out, perpetuating the cycle. It’s about time men stood up aghast and shocked at their female counterparts for watching desperate housewives (and similar) without any hesitation, because enough is enough. This goes for all the good old fashioned soaps as well.
There is no such thing as nude art. It is sin, phrased differently to be used as an excuse to be enjoyed. Or they are people who are too blind (consciences have hardened) to see the difference.

By: Jennifer

Jennifer — Wed, 28 Oct 2009 02:33:30 +0000

Wow, MO. I certainly hope I have a more open relationship with my man than the one involving secret porn addictions that you describe. I’m not sure who here you’re addressing so daringly, since just about every woman here IS for modesty. You make men sound like prowling tigers constantly searching for blood. And to think, some men actually whine about women being so cautious they feel shunned?? I guess we know men better than we thought. I hope you personally have recovered from this devouring-phase.

I have always been against porn and when I speak out online, the result has often been assaults on my womanhood: I’ve been called things from a b**** to an ugly woman who can’t “get any” to a secret porn lover to a homely wife whose husband looks at porn, sometimes even by other women. It’s amusing how the silly crude children always follow these insults with “Oh, and I personally am NOT into porn”. Sure my deprived dears, whatever you say. Thank you for so vitally proving my case, MO. I really do wish, now more than ever, that more men could see women the way true artists do.

However, I won’t accept this comment: “Also, the natural progression when we are saturated with all these tempting women is to continue on toward homosexuality and pedophilia”.

No sir, it is NOT acceptable to compare those two things to heterosexual horniness OR say that over-loading sex leads to them. One is born with homosexuality or one is not, and don’t EVER behave as though the demonic condition of pedophilia is something a remotely normal man can be led to; creatures who do such disgusting things or think such filth are what hell was created for. They are NOT led to it by being overloaded with images of grown women, of all things. I’ve been insulted online beyond belief and I’ve seen a sick older teen boy tell a 12-year-old little girl he wished he could sleep with her (and that wasn’t the term he used). I for one know of the rotten streak in SOME males; you don’t need to paint it even darker for me. Next time a weakling complains of women “shunning” him in public because they fear he’s a sexual deviant, however, I’ll be happy to give them a link of your testimony.

By: Leslie Viles

Leslie Viles — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:22:07 +0000

thank you MO.

By: MO

MO — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 20:49:09 +0000

I am a guy, not young or old. Many of you don’t understand us at all. Hollywood does. Quoting Xander (a teen guy) from “Buffy the vampire slayer”: “even looking at linoleum makes guys *****”. We live in an oversexed culture, and everything is sexed up for a reason, it takes our attention and then it takes our money, very simple. If it wasn’t effective they wouldn’t be spending all that money creating it. Another reason why volleyball panties aren’t sexually stimulating to some men is that they’re so used to seeing bikini’s (and other scantily clad women in the media) that the volleyball shorts don’t mean a thing. We men are sinners just like the rest of you, but the heart is above all things deceitful, so it is never a reliable source of information. When Adam and Eve sinned, the first thing they did was cover their naked bodies.
This is a complex issue. Have your men stop watching/using media (internet/tv…) for a week (even longer is better – and that is another addiction in itself), and see how drawn they are to viewing women after that, they will shock themselves at what they deemed acceptable prior to that. Second of all many of your men have a secret porn addiction that you are clueless about (that doesn’t mean they go to playboy, they just view the same show you did with you, and you have no idea how much porn was going on in their heads, and is still going on days after they’ve seen some girl).
Another thing is, with modern advancements men are seeing thousands of women a day in the media, as to before media advancements you’d see a handful of women a week from your neighborhood, and get used to them. But this constant assault on the senses with all the variety of women is overloading us.
If you could read mens minds this is what you would see 9 out of 10 times, I want to have sex with you now, and I want to think about having sex with someone else while were fornicating, because it’s all good to us. Another reason we say things are ok, is so we can continue to enjoy sin for a season, we wouldn’t want to let you know how things affect us becuase we still want to enjoy the semi-nude women that you find perfectly acceptable, and the more you women lower your own standards the better an excuse I have to continue looking at nude women. Also, the natural progression when we are saturated with all these tempting women is to continue on toward homosexuality and pedophilia. So for a man to say he is asexual when seeing a woman in underwear just means he’s lieing or hiding something else.
When we’re at church we imagine having sex with the women we see, making our ‘picks’ of who we’d like, and the women oblige us by thinking themselves modest (at best) until they bend, sit, stand up, and we have a virtual lap dance along with the kids story.
Never in a million years would we (men) admit this to you, because we are nominal christians who keep to our formalities, until we are truly born again.
On another topic look at the hypocrisy of women vs mens clothing. A typical mens outfit for church is a suit, all you see is our hands and head – also, there really isn’t anything to see to begin with. But women show so much skin, yet they have so much more to offer on the sexual enticement scale. How ridiculous would it be if a man were to show up in spandex shorts exposing his butcrack, and nipples through his silk sleeveless supertight shirt? It would be downright disgusting, and I doubt any woman would be led astray. But exactly the opposite is true for us men.
General principles: If the first thing man notices about you is your eyes, then you’re modest (someone else said this, and it’s not referencing makeup!).
Don’t wear tight clothes, see-through, thin, or clothes short enough that I can see you undergarments let alone your assets. Spend some time infront of the mirror and bend forward, sit down and any other pose to see if you are exposing yourself unknowlingly.
Lastly, very rarely is a woman intentionally immodest, she actually thinks she is being modest, and is extremely offended if anyone thinks otherwise, because it denegrates her selfrespect and to her that’s the same thing as calling her a whore, when it actually isn’t. It’s for her protection and for those she comes in contact with. Let all things be done in charity. The central issue is the ‘I’.

By: Jennifer

Jennifer — Sat, 10 Oct 2009 22:39:27 +0000

“It is a void moreso that makes one want porn or to lust….not a lady walking by scantily clad. It is so much deeper and complex”

Excellently said! The women here are awesome; challenging, edifying and deep.

By: Heather

Heather — Sat, 10 Oct 2009 21:11:29 +0000

AM, I wasn’t taking personal offense at your statements. And I think don’t really disagree on the core issue. Just feeling somewhat responsible for blowing the thread off-course.

Yes, when all is said and done, each person is responsible to God as an individual.

Yes, human depravity is the root of the problem with any sinful behavior.

And yes, because of the existence of sin nature, it can often be simplistic to assume that removal of any potential stimulus will prevent a problem.

Hope you all have a wonderful weekend.

By: authenticallyme

authenticallyme — Sat, 10 Oct 2009 20:36:16 +0000

Heather,

I am not saying I dont agree, and my message was not targeted at you.

Also, I was trying to compare porn causing porn addiction like wine causing a person to be a drunk. Neither is the catalyst.

I added that because many people wills ay, “we need to guard our men so they dont see immodest women/photos and become addicted to porn”. Im not saying viewing it doesnt make for a desensitized man….but it is a void moreso that makes one want porn or to lust….not a lady walking by scantily clad. It is so much deeper and complex.